Over the phone, I have to rely on your verbal feedback for confirmation of hypnosis. So you essentially tell me how you are feeling. For example, I might ask, “If ten represents the deepest state of hypnosis you can imagine, do you feel deeper than a three?” Although many people go deeper and surprise themselves, for most of what we will do together, you don’t need more than a two out of ten in terms of subjective hypnotic depth, which almost everyone can accomplish on a first session, even over the phone! In short, to make lasting hypnotic changes, hypnotic depth is relatively unimportant.